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« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2009, 08:21:27 PM » |
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I was looking at the screen caps of the episode and found something interesting. Remember the woven piece of tapestry stuck to the cabin wall with a knife? It looks like it's been torn from the tapestry Jacob was working on (bottom left corner). When Ben is in Jacob's room under the statue, it looks like the bottom corner is missing. The rest of the bottom row looks like ships at sea. Who tore it and who stuck it to the cabin wall (with what looks like Jacob's knife he cut the fish with!)? http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/
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« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2009, 09:22:16 PM » |
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I was looking at the screen caps of the episode and found something interesting. Remember the woven piece of tapestry stuck to the cabin wall with a knife? It looks like it's been torn from the tapestry Jacob was working on (bottom left corner). When Ben is in Jacob's room under the statue, it looks like the bottom corner is missing. The rest of the bottom row looks like ships at sea. Who tore it and who stuck it to the cabin wall (with what looks like Jacob's knife he cut the fish with!)? http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/Great find, Renee! Anybody know what the Greek means?
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« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2009, 09:30:33 PM » |
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Anybody know what the Greek means?
D'OH! It was right there on the same page: "May Heaven grant you in all things your heart's desire" --Odysseus speaking to Nausicaa Homer, _The Odyssey_, Book 6, line 180
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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2009, 10:05:50 PM » |
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I just watched all three hours again, and I feel very good about this finale. I feel like Katie Kat, I think it was, who said she would be ok, with it ending here, kind of. I think the end was excellent, and really it left us with enough to think about and discuss till Lost returns for the final season. I also must say that they must have used a record amount of stage blood for this episode! Here are some comments that my daughter emailed me after she watched the finale:
"holycrapholycrapholycrap. ok here were my initial reactions.
jacob has a face!! (kinda hot!) who is he??! how did he get there?? is he good or bad?? is this a biblical thing?? Jacob and Esau? no? yes? is locke really dead? is he really locke!?!? i felt so safe when sayid was doing the nuke thing. i knew they were in good hands. i didnt hate juliet in this one! i really liked ben!! i loled when he said 'im a pisces' SAWYER CRIED!!! AHHH!!!! i loved jack and sawyers fist fight b/c thats been needing to happen for like 5 years i still love hurley. hes so awesome rose and bernard! are adorable! i love when bernard goes 'son of a bitch' after seeing sawyer cuz thats usually his line. What's richard's deal??? The statue!?! Who are these dudes carrying around Locke's coffin? whats their deal? HOLY CRAP THE END! WHEN IT WENT WHITE!! AHHHH! GAH! I CANT WAIT ALL SUMMER FOR THIS!"
and my answer to her: "I really have no idea how this will all end, but i'm totally mesmerized. I was thinking how remarkable it was that Locke seemed so desperate toward the end, before trying to kill himself, and then on the island he was totally season 1 Locke again. But if he was "resurrected" as we were led to believe before seing his remains, he would totally be awesome. Was it ever him? If it was the other guy, why didn't he know where Jacob was? Absolutely loved seeing Sawyer and Jack in a fistfight. Jack had it coming for a long time. I didn't hate Juliet either. It seemed like Sawyer is in Kate's position, loving Juliet, and the stability thing, but still has feelings for crazytown Kate. Of course this all may be moot after the explosion. I loved how at the end they all realized that Jack might be right, and the "incident" may have been Jughead exploding and then they all ran down to help them. I did feel kind of sorry for Juliet down in the hole all by herself, but she came through in the end and made it happen. Good for her! I wondered about the guitar case before when Hurley got on Ajira 315. Someone said that it was just to try to replicate the Oceanic 815 flight, but we haven't seen it opened yet. What's in it? I cried when Sawyer cried. I'm tearing up just thinking about it. What if Jughead does what "Twitchy" said it would, and re-sets the events leading up to the crash of 815 and prevents it from happening? That means, Boone, the marshall, Shannon, Claire, Charlie, Eko, Libby, Annalucia, Arzt, and stupid nikki and Paolo are still alive, Aaron has not been born yet, and no one has met Desmond or Ben, or Juliet and Michael and Walt and Vincent land in LA and are getting to know eachother; and Kate is carted off to prison. Rose still has cancer and Locke is still in a wheelchair. And Desmond will still be in the hatch pushing the button every 108 minutes, (or will he, since the bomb blast is supposed to prevent the need for the button pushing?) he will not have been reunited with Penny and their adorable little Charlie will not be born yet. Will they even remember what happened? In some kind of alternate timeline? I'm still stumped on Jacob. Loved seeing the full Statue, and the ship (black rock?) in the water, what a beautiful scene. Why did Jacob need help? Just who are Alana and Bram? Why did they know that the ash had to be around Jacobs cabin? Lots to think about for the next 6 months. And lots of time to rewatch all the DVDs over again.
One last comment, In the Old Testament, Benjamin was one of Jacob's 12 sons.
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« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2009, 10:07:46 PM » |
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I was looking at the screen caps of the episode and found something interesting. Remember the woven piece of tapestry stuck to the cabin wall with a knife? It looks like it's been torn from the tapestry Jacob was working on (bottom left corner). When Ben is in Jacob's room under the statue, it looks like the bottom corner is missing. The rest of the bottom row looks like ships at sea. Who tore it and who stuck it to the cabin wall (with what looks like Jacob's knife he cut the fish with!)? http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/Excellent Renee! Thanks for the link, looked at everything, taking extra time on the Sawyer pix
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« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2009, 05:42:30 AM » |
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One more thing about the tapestry...... Doesn't it look like the "Eye of Horus" is reaching out to touch people? I count it touching nine figures. Jacob touched eight I think, he may have touched Ilana, he did lean forward but we couldn't see if he did. (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Locke, Sun, Jin, Sayid and maybe Ilana) The two figures on either side seem to be sitting on thrones...Jacob and his nemesis? The Eye of Horus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_horus"was intended to protect the king [here] in the afterlife"[7] and to ward off evil. Lostpedia - http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_tapestry
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« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2009, 01:36:21 PM » |
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It looks to me like the tapestry is telling the story of the Others or perhaps Jacob's plans for the Others. The bottom shows the first scene from the episode with the Statue on the beach and the ship approaching the island. Moving upward it seems to show Jacob's idea of a Utopian society. After all, the Greek quote is "May Heaven grant you in all things your heart's desire." People are farming and dancing, and in the top reaching out to touch the arms descending from the Eye of Horus. Since the eye of Horus is a symbol of protection from a deity and the shadow of the statue response is translated to mean "he who will save/guard/protect us all," I'm going to say the Eye represents Jacob. The sitting figures probably represent Richard Alpert and the Leader of the Others.
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« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2009, 09:49:03 PM » |
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hmmmm... Just re-watching the first minutes of the first season, and... When Kate is sewing up Jack, he tells her a story that sounds VERY similar to the OR scene we just saw in the finale, just before Jack meets Jacob.
Did someone say the writers were way of from where they started? Don't think so...
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« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2009, 03:45:32 AM » |
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Pabo—yeah, that incident has been referenced more than once before. Interesting that when Jack related it to Kate, he made it sound like his individual triumph over fear, whereas when we saw it, Jack’s father told him what to do and embarrassed him in front of the rest of the operating team. Weird.
I’m still wondering about the point of Jacob’s visits. Maybe touching these people did somehow mark them as his (in case of future war for Island). He certainly didn’t seem to ease anyone’s pain.
He does seem to have revived Locke. But it doesn’t look like he caused that accident in any way.
With Sayid and Nadia, though—Jacob seemed to play a causal role. It’s possible that Jacob saved Sayid’s life—had Jacob not detained Sayid, Sayid would have been out in the middle of the road, too, and perhaps would have gotten hit—that car looked like it was trying to hit someone. But it also seems possible that Jacob’s interference got Nadia killed—if Sayid had proceeded across the street with her, she might not have stupidly stopped in the middle of the street to look through her purse, and they may have made it across safely.
So did Jacob want Nadia dead? Did Jacob “know” when to arrive at that intersection to intervene? But that doesn't really make sense, because then he should similarly know what’s going to happen each time he brings people to the Island, and he doesn’t.
I wonder if we go back and watch flashbacks about Michael or Boone or Shannon, etc–will we spot Jacob in the background?
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« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2009, 08:34:33 PM » |
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He does seem to have revived Locke. But it doesn’t look like he caused that accident in any way.
I wonder if we go back and watch flashbacks about Michael or Boone or Shannon, etc–will we spot Jacob in the background?
On these two... I was under the impression that it was this accident that put Locke in the wheelchair, and if Jacob revived Locke, why go half way? I doubt that the actor for Jacob would have been selected that early, but you never know with these producers ;-) //Pabo
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